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Off the Map Live: Kerry’s Notes from discussion with Joesph Myers author of, “The Search to Belong” and “Organic Community”.

My RAW notes from the discussion Joseph Myers led at Off the Map.
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What are your thoughts of the images on a screen:

1. can of sardines

2. fish swimming with a ray of light shining down through the water

  • Life/death
  • Blue
  • Light
  • Groups
  • Etc…

What I want you to see is how you can develop an environment in which things exist.

“inharmonic” - sounds the same but is different.

“If we really knew the God of Jesus, we would stop trying to control and manipulate others “for their own good,” knowing full well that this is not how God works among his people.”

Brennan Manning

“We use our very natue of goodness to excess and it becomes harmful.”

Joe Myers

We get in trouble by trying to use our strength to excess. We so want to use our strength that it destroys.

God doesn’t love us too much…he loves us just enough.

Programmer vs. Environmentalist

Master Plan vs. Organic Order

Organic has to have order for it to be helpful…Joe warns of language that will begin to be used in the very near future in the church that we must be careful. Remember…Organic MUST have order.

9 tools used in an inharmonic way:

Patternsspatial observation

Participationresponsible anarchy

Coordination - harmonized energy

Growth - progressive evolution

Measurement - recalculation matters

Power - authority

Partners - healthy alliances

Resources - mining wherewithal

Language - future lingo

Intentionality in bringing healthy organic order to ones life.

Organizational Tools

Master Plan

Organic Order

Patterns

Prescriptive

Descriptive

Participation

Representative

Individual

Coordination

Cooperation

Collaboration

Growth

Bankruptcy

Sustainability

Measurement

Bottom line

Life/Story

Power

Positional

Revolving

Partners

Accountability

Edit-ability

Resources

Scarcity

Abundancy

Language

Noun-Centric

Verb-Centric

Measurement:

1. We measure that which we perceived to be important.

2. That which we measure will become important and guide our process.

3. That which we do not measure will become less important

Joseph Myer’s church in Cinnanati uses community stats as a measurement of whether or not their church is impacting their community. If the stats of the community are not changing then their church isn’t having an impact on the community.

  • Homeless
  • Crime rate
  • Etc…

Be set free from the secret of stat…all stats are fuzzy numbers.

Power:

1. Master Plan is Hierarchical Power

2. Organic Order is Revolving Power

“Don’t believe anything I say for more than 5 minutes, because I don’t think I do.”

Joseph Myers

Lead or Power outside of yourself has to be given to you by someone…the PROJECT gives you the power.

In Organic Order…Revolving Hierarchical comes through Revolving Power.

To live in Organic Order you have to give up control…leave your ego at the doors. It’s kind of like someone who is “ball hogging”. Teach each other to share the ball. The most powerful thing you can do is give persons back their power as soon as they give it up.

Cross helping…

There are three keys to encouraging organic order’s spirit of revolving power:

  • The project holds the power
  • Focus on the whole
  • Cross-helping

Partners

Accountability vs Edit – Ability

5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

1 Corinthians 13:5

Accounting is about counting.

“Good editing depends on the exercise of good judgment. For that reason, it is an art, not a science. To be sure, in some aspects of editing—accuracy, grammar, and spelling, for example—there are only right and wrong answers, as often is the case in science. But editing also involves discretion; knowing when to use which word, when to change a word or two for clarity and when to leave a passage as the writer has written it. Often, the best editing decisions are those in which no change is made. Making the right decisions in such cases is clearly an art.”6

A good editor makes you better. An accounting role only keeps track.

Growth

Models for planning and implementation of growth.

Large-lump models–Incremental Maintenance Patterns–Bankruptcy

(i.e. – a realtor who asks you “what you can afford monthly”)

(i.e. – a church that says 100% of people need to be in small groups – you CAN’T maintain it.)

Piecemeal models—quantum leap growth patterns—sustainability

(i.e. – try a smaller house, try one group at a time.)

If you want to grow something have the fun of not doing it “large-lump”. It is just not healthy for you to do.

Consider these questions before you launch your nest initiative;

1. Now much of our future will this one thing control?

2. Will this one thing that I’m planning deplete all or most of our resources?

3. Will this one thing that I’m planning consume all or most of the community’s life?

4. If what I’m planning fails, will it devastate the whole?


Off the Map Live: Kerry’s notes from discussion with Diane Butler Bass

My very RAW notes from a discussion with Diane Butler Bass.
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Cultural Change to Post Modernism…what are the challenges.

Liberal Protestant…very proud of it.

1992 – Member of an Episcopal congregation in Santa Barbara in 1992…it was dying. (Trinity Church)…it changed Diane’s life. 40 people in attendance. Politically and theologically liberal. $30K a year in the whole. Fired the clergy. The State of California past the Earthquake law which required it to be retro fitted at $1.2 million dollars.

In March 1996 it was reopened, “blessed by the Bishop”…”let the doors be opened…let the doors be opened”

650 people reopened those days in March 1996…there was singing, shouting, dancing, African drums…

Trinity Church was the fasted growing church in those days in Santa Barbara County.

*What happened in that church that day? That question changed Diane’s entire life.

Diane feels like she has stumbled onto something counter to the research that only churches that grow are “conservative protestants” when in fact Trinity Church, a “liberal protestant” church began to grow.

Diane feels like they were reconnecting with tradition and a different pathway to life’s questions. Diane began to write about the rebirth of the mainline liberal protestant churches in America.

The Lilly Foundation in Indiana began to fund her work on mainline churches that are doing well. Diane studying 50 congregations within 6

Mainline Denominations began the ask:

1. Who are we in God?

2. What is God calling us to do?

What were these Mainline Churches who were growing…doing?

1. Congregations being renewed around Christian practices…that meet fundamental needs. (Head, Heart, and Hand)

Prayer

Justice

Hospitality

Healing

Forgiveness

2. Tradition

There was a real theological reflection going on.

A renewal of ancient voices

Tradition was really beginning to matter

3. Quest for Wisdom

Resurgence of people not looking for a destination, but looking for a meaningful way of life.

Safe place in which people could ask questions without someone telling them answers to questions they didn’t have.

They weren’t looking for answers, but love.

The question Diane asked was what have you been doing in your church these past 5 years? That was the question she asked to those 50 churches in the research project

The #1 answer Diane received from the 50 churches she researched was that they had been:

    • Practicing renewal of tradition and following a way of wisdom.

Off the Map Live - Kerry’s raw notes from discussion with Todd Hunter, National Director of the Alpha Course

Listen, Hear, Connect – what is behind it?

  • Conversation is valuable
  • Connect through listen instead of speaking
  • Authentic relationship is important

OTM trying to suggest an approach.

  • Strategy
  • Tactic

Before then it has to be, “a kind of person”.

  • Be present to others
    • Before you listen, hear, connect.

“Others exist”…be vulnerable…the movie of life is not all about you.

Todd says, “we need to be the people who can listen, hear, and connect”.

Todd’s thoughts:

  • Jesus says that good trees bear fruit.
  • People who are fundamentality focused on themselves can’t listen, hear, and connect in a world gone different.
  • Jesus told the Pharisees that you are guilty of washing the outside of the cup, but you failed to clean the inside.
  • Todd said that Jesus was saying to the Jews of his day, “your approach to making life sense out of your religion is fundamentally flawed.”
  • Todd believes that ministry can’t be separated from spiritual formation.
  • Todd speaks of Jesus coming across a white washed tomb…you are all like white washed tombs. (story of Todd’s brother….Dennis W. Hunter (killed in Vietnam)
  • It requires us to go on a journey of spiritual formation to Christ likeness.
  • Church is coming out of an age of teaching the gospel as only needed to get to heaven. Todd says it is much more than that.
    • Pray the prayer…go to heaven.
    • It is more than that…
  • Goal –spiritual formation into Christ likeness

Spiritual Transformation as seen by Todd:

  • What does that look like?
    • It isn’t something that you add to your day, but it is taking your life and making it have meaning.
    • Practicing the presence of God in the midst of others.
    • Paying attention to God and others
    • Rethink your actual life…the ground for your discipleship and your mission in the world.

  • This is a huge shift in traditional way of thinking.

Todd Hunter is the National Director of the Alpha Course

  • #1 problem with churches not following through with the alpha course is that they can’t sit down and listen.
  • Can’t be fear based
  • Be radically dependant on the Holy Spirit
  • Can’t be offended by those who don’t believe like you do.
  • It isn’t compromising – it is incarnating.

Thoughtful continuity is important to change.

Time between Time…

  • Trust and follow Jesus – Todd Hunter
    • Try to Obey Jesus
    • Observe how you win and loose.
    • Wise counseling from an overseer

Hang Ups persons who are seeking truth:

  • Perfectionism
  • Loss of a sense of adventure
  • Legalism